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Blackjack
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 Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 08:58:17 AM
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To all those who said a 2CV could never be a hot rod - take a look at this incredible car.
The cool helmet rear mudguards are made from 2 rear wings - I've got some in the garage and will have a play around with them to see how it has been done. Looks like it runs stock suspension and engine. I gotta build one.
Hot Rod VW's?? C'est merde. Hot Rod Deuche - C'est les couilles d'un chien.
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kapri
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 09:05:52 AM
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Hot Rod or not there's some serious work in there! Very 20/30's coachbuilt Art Deco style feel to it.
Imagine the body plonked on some 'proper' running gear , like a Beetle floorpan ;-)
Merde? That's one way of beating the swear filter I suppose ! Dog's danglies, a Poodles perhaps ?? LOL
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Mel
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 09:12:01 AM
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Yeh, but look at the cool roadster in the background....wow!
I still don't know what to make of the 2cv, yet another oddball creation, loads of fun making it i suppose. I would have been more impressed to see someone driving it there.Or even getting into it!!
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Blackjack
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 09:21:16 AM
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Kev - the D'arl Mat Peugeot is the one the springs to mind.
A Beetle floorpan would prevent the car looking so radical and spindly at the rear. The 2CV engine can be mildly tweaked to give reasonable performance and fantastic economy in such a lght car.
Of course, a change to a tube chassis would allow anything - a flathead and a suicided beam axle would look great.
Perhaps the only change I'd make is helmet mudguards on the front too.
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redoxide
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 09:37:19 AM
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I served My time on Citroen and detest 2cvs with a vengence. BUT thats another story.
The mod we did to the 2CVs was to fit a citreon AMI gearbox and the GSA 1600 flat 4 that made the tin frog fly. and more of a hot rod than the artistic insect like afair on the flatbed. its arty but its not a hot rod..since it lacks a basic ingredient...POWER....2 cylinders does not a hot rod make, but i catch your drift... looks more like something off a mad max movie.
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bodge
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 09:40:02 AM
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I was always under the impression that you couldn't modify the running gear of your car in france without being qualified? Is that skcollob then? That's the only reason I'd never move out there!
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Blackjack
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 09:47:11 AM
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Redoxide - that's a nice mod. I have driven a couple of those and I wonder why Citroen never did a factory one. With an anti-roll bar it would have been a Mini Cooper beater. I know what you mean about 2CVs. Those kingpins!! and M7 and other weird threads used everywhere
Bodge - you can't modify original running gear in France but body mods may be permitted. There was a discussion about this on here recently and there are "ways" to get around it. But it is not easy - you really have to be prepared to jump through hoops to be a rodder in France.
Mel - cool roadster in the background??? Looks like a plastic one - there's something odd about the position of the back axle relative to the body.
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Mel
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:17:34 AM
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Originally posted by Blackjack
Mel - cool roadster in the background??? Looks like a plastic one - there's something odd about the position of the back axle relative to the body.
Lol
well, i supposed I asked for that. Axle in the wrong place! dammit i knew something wernt right. Must have been the cheap tape measure i got from 'Wilkinsons'.
Anyway back to the 2CV, i'm with Red on this. Interesting but not even loosely a Hot Rod.
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Happydaze
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:31:30 AM
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It's Friday already?
Real hot rods are driven ;)
An interesting exercise but not something i'll be busting a gut to emulate.
Chris :)
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Paul G
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:32:03 AM
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seams to have 2 right hand rear wings on it.
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Blackjack
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 10:41:45 AM
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Mel - ooops. Sorry about that - maybe it's the angle of the photo
>>Interesting but not even loosely a Hot Rod. Probably not - but I like it more than those Hot Rod Beetles. Makes you think about alternative vehicles though. Gosh, I wonder if you could even use a '30's Daewoo (I think they were called Chevrolet back then?).
Paul - I wonder why he didn't bother to patch those fuel filler holes? Strange when so much effort has gone into the rest of it. However, there don't seem to be any specially made compound curved panels on it so perhaps he didn't have access to an English Wheel?.
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Mel
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 12:06:41 PM
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Geoff, no offence taken mate. I also prefer steel over plastic, but it was my decision at the time. There was a flathead 27t at the French Nats that you would have flipped over. Pity that I don't have a photo of it. Probably warrants more discussion than the 2CV that appears to me to have not too much effort in it.IMHO.
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Doug
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 12:49:34 PM
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If it had a V8 and rear wheel drive it would be a hotrod by most definitions. Looks like a lot of low-dosh fun as it is.
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Blackjack
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 1:03:47 PM
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Mel - thanks for that. No offence was meant. As you know, I think it is wrong to criticise another bloke's car for all sorts of reasons.
>>the 2CV appears to me to have not too much effort in it
I think you're right. It is very cleverly done with minimal effort - all new panels are flat (with maybe a bit of beading in them) and the compound curves are made using cut up panels.
Even the radically lowered suspension is done simply by adjusting out the pull rods. This would make steering impossibly heavy. The way around that is to cut and turn the hubs/kingpins to correct the castor angle. This doesn't seem to have been done. Maybe that's why it's trailered.
Still shows what can be done when you think outside the box.
Doug - a V8 and rwd would not be impossible and the 2CV body style goes back to 1939 (may be to 1932 if you regard it as a development of the Citroen TPV concept). Does look radical though - doesn't it?
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40Stude
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 1:11:14 PM
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The styling looks interesting from the back but the screen/door/rear quarter areas have a lot of peculiar angles that need work to make it all flow. Just one thing though, I know 2CV's, though probably not as well as BJ and I've looked long and hard at the photo's and I'm damned if I can figure out how the hell you get to change the rear wheels, being as the rear pontoons seem to be fully welded together and fixed to the rear suspension arm!
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tootall
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 1:33:55 PM
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Blackjack,
before you cut them up, are those rear wings you've got for sale? I've been looking for a pair to ct up & make fender skirts from. Mail me at tootall_inc@postmaster.co.uk
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Blackjack
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 1:43:32 PM
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Mounting of the rear fenders is simple. They mount on to the hub at the end of the suspension arm.
If the builder has used early inertia damper arms but late model telescopic dampers he will be left with some heavy duty brackets on the hub end of the arm. These can be tapped and used to mount the fenders. Close inspection of the pictures shows that the fenders are split where they fit on to the arm (looks like an inner driveshaft gaiter has been used to finish the area around the arm. All you would need then are a couple of bolts (set screws) to take the fender on and off.
I have a picture below showing a simliar arrangement on the front end of my trike.
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sidspop
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 1:43:38 PM
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I'll be boogered if I can see how a French peasant farmer can get two bails of straw and a sheep across a field in that.
Regards
Andy
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40Stude
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 1:58:18 PM
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[quote]Originally posted by Blackjack
Close inspection of the pictures shows that the fenders are split where they fit on to the arm (looks like an inner driveshaft gaiter has been used to finish the area around the arm. All you would need then are a couple of bolts (set screws) to take the fender on and off.
I figured they were mounted to the hub but try as I might I can't see any split in the panel, I'll just have to take your word for it.
Andy, I thought it was a basket of eggs without breaking them. :)
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Blackjack
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 2:35:06 PM
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They're going mad about this on The HAMB. The thread is 4 starred now. Someone has called it an "art deco supercar"
Problem is that they have no idea that it has a 625cc air-cooled flat twin under the bonnet which, on a good day, kicks out 32BHP.
http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62043&page=1&pp=20
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40Stude
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 3:16:08 PM
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Blackjack 625cc? Is that the hipo stroker 602? :)
Of course looking at the suicide doors and front sheetmetal wouldn't it have the early 405cc 'small(est) block'?
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