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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcoholic Rat View Post
    I see your point steve but surely thats the age old argument , what actually defines a hotrod / streetrod ?

    For instance my vette is so modified undert the bonnet etc that its not recognisable as a vette anymore but it looks like one because of the body and interior, where do you draw the line .
    No different from pops which still look like pops but with bigger motors etc and really most rods still look somewhat original, thats the whole hotrodding idea isnt it ?

    I am without a Hotrodder but sometimes i like to modify other stuff although in essance they are all modified in a hotrod way.

    Personally i still say its the builder/person not the vehicle.

    Which boils down to the SPIRIT of hotrodding and not always the vehicles looks.

    P.s. Dont become disheartened with odd comments by others , keep this topic going its very constructive. Please.




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    Darren to me constructive comments get noticed, Yes i am a bit disheartned by the dilution as i've been there since the start and would hate to see the club drift off to the wilderness which i can see it doing if we continue to accept all and sundry.


    Quote Originally Posted by Alcoholic Rat View Post
    I see your point steve but surely thats the age old argument , what actually defines a hotrod / streetrod ?

    For instance my vette is so modified undert the bonnet etc that its not recognisable as a vette anymore but it looks like one because of the body and interior, where do you draw the line .
    No different from pops which still look like pops but with bigger motors etc and really most rods still look somewhat original, thats the whole hotrodding idea isnt it ?

    I am without a Hotrodder but sometimes i like to modify other stuff although in essance they are all modified in a hotrod way.

    Personally i still say its the builder/person not the vehicle.

    Which boils down to the SPIRIT of hotrodding and not always the vehicles looks.

    P.s. Dont become disheartened with odd comments by others , keep this topic going its very constructive. Please.




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    Unhappy Yes!

    Maybe the pre 49 only should be instigated.
    Maybe the catchall bit is damaging. Why bother with it?
    There's plenty other places for 'apres' 49 type stuff.

    If it's only a small window into european hot rodding then pleasing the members should be top priority.

    I realise that excludes my 1960 custom. I'll get over it.

    I just wanna see hot rods and how they get built on here!

    Just don't do it until the N*SC forum gets put up. lol

    ps is JZee playing at the supernats?

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    It's a hard one...........i agree with langys worry's ie that if you started letting in the hot hatch brigade then the club and forum would suffer, but how then do you get new blood or convert people?...........paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jumpin Jim View Post
    Maybe the pre 49 only should be instigated.
    Maybe the catchall bit is damaging. Why bother with it?
    There's plenty other places for 'apres' 49 type stuff.

    If it's only a small window into european hot rodding then pleasing the members should be top priority.

    I realise that excludes my 1960 custom. I'll get over it.

    I just wanna see hot rods and how they get built on here!

    Just don't do it until the N*SC forum gets put up. lol

    ps is JZee playing at the supernats?
    The point here Jim is European hotrodding days are numbered, the euro hotrodders will simply not survive the onslaught of green regs heading their way, all the boys on the ACE committee can see whats coming and its all there on the ACE site

    http://www.the-ace.org.uk/tightening...n-germany.html

    Their days are numbered, BUT we as an island have an option and luckily a few in prominent positions in VOSA and the DfT are willing to alter or opt out of certain euro crap to allow car modifying to continue in the UK.

    I see alot of things most never hear about until its too late as my business is heavily involved in modifiying vehicles from the U.S. so i speak daily with VOSA tech and legislation guys and beleive me its nowhere near as bad here as its gonna get over in Euroland.

    As far as letting all and sundry in im still not convinced that that is the case, yes there are vehicles that dont fit the traditional stereotype of a hotrod but i still think hotrodding is a state of mind and not just a vehicle age or design thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcoholic Rat View Post
    Hmmmm exactly what do you mean by catchall, ???????

    could you elaborate with examples please ?
    'pre '73, unless radical'. That's the regulation for shows isn't it?

    Sounds like a catch-all to me.

    Anything from a blown '29 T bucket to a turbo 90's Corvette. It doesn't leave a lot out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul B View Post
    'pre '73, unless radical'. That's the regulation for shows isn't it?

    Sounds like a catch-all to me.

    Anything from a blown '29 T bucket to a turbo 90's Corvette. It doesn't leave a lot out.
    I take it the 90's corvette because they started pre 73? that means a mk3 escort hot hatch full of ice is ok????

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    A 90,s corvette or any other late model car unless Radically modified is not a hotrod, definately a MK3 escort with a halfords stereo does not comply , come on guys this is veering odff into the realms of fantasy.

    My vette is an 80,s vette and i would never call it a hotrod but it is radically modified, so are you saying it should,nt be allowed in shows????

    How do you define radically altered ??? I can say for sure that after over 1000hrs and many months of alterations i have spent more time on this car than i have on some of my pops or 32,s or zef,s etc from start to finish.

    I agree there has to be boundaries but where do you start and who decides ?

    Would this mean i and others would be cast out because we dont quite fit ?

    Ive been a hotrodder for over 30 years and built or resurrected countless rods but because ive sold on my 32 to a NEW hotrodder and built something different im no longer allowed to be member?

    Oh dear that would be a very sad day and in my opinion would spell doom for our whole hobby!

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    Quote Originally Posted by farncombe pop View Post
    It's a hard one...........i agree with langys worry's ie that if you started letting in the hot hatch brigade then the club and forum would suffer, but how then do you get new blood or convert people?...........paul.
    Why is everyone trying to get new blood or new people, why try to convert people if they don't want to be rodders, they don't want to be rodders. Ain't it our small numbers that makes us special. Your born a rodder it's in the blood.
    I can appreciate other types/styles of altered cars but would hate to go to say a PT cruiser convention or even a standard classic car show.

    Check out Paul Bs slogan, it say's it all

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    Quote Originally Posted by raysal View Post
    . Your born a rodder it's in the blood.
    Exactly my point Ray, its the person !

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    As I've said before (but I was "over reacting"): if you want to be a hot rods only club, define what one is and what one isn't, then stick to it and start telling everyone else to leave.
    You can't welcome everyone and their dog on the one hand and then moan about "losing our identity" on the other.
    I mean, just listen to it - "losing our identity"! How pretentious is that?
    Come on - I dare you, have a look through the readers rides thread and start deleting everything that isn't a hot rod - that's if you want to alienate a large proportion of this hobby's support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbadbaldlee View Post
    As I've said before (but I was "over reacting"): if you want to be a hot rods only club, define what one is and what one isn't, then stick to it and start telling everyone else to leave.
    You can't welcome everyone and their dog on the one hand and then moan about "losing our identity" on the other.
    I mean, just listen to it - "losing our identity"! How pretentious is that?
    Come on - I dare you, have a look through the readers rides thread and start deleting everything that isn't a hot rod - that's if you want to alienate a large proportion of this hobby's support.
    That Lee is the million dollar question!!!

    Ive just eaten a whole loaf of bread full of Omega 3 and i still can't answer that question.

    Im off down to Boots to see if they sell Omega 3 in its strongest form!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcoholic Rat View Post

    My vette is an 80,s vette and i would never call it a hotrod but it is radically modified, so are you saying it should,nt be allowed in shows????



    I agree there has to be boundaries but where do you start and who decides ?



    Oh dear that would be a very sad day and in my opinion would spell doom for our whole hobby!
    Darren in that case why is your Vette for sale in the classified section? Its not radical and it certainly isnt pre 72. Its only had a blower put on it, and dont say different as I've spoke to Browny about it! ITS AN 80;s VETTE and should be in Classic American.


    Yes we had a vette a few years ago, but we used it as a daily, even when going to an AAC do at billing, we never even put it on the show field as we deemed it a daily and nothing more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raysal View Post
    Why is everyone trying to get new blood or new people, why try to convert people if they don't want to be rodders, they don't want to be rodders. Ain't it our small numbers that makes us special. Your born a rodder it's in the blood.
    I can appreciate other types/styles of altered cars but would hate to go to say a PT cruiser convention or even a standard classic car show.

    Check out Paul Bs slogan, it say's it all
    Because with out new blood the hobby will die with us........paul.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusty View Post
    Darren in that case why is your Vette for sale in the classified section? Its not radical and it certainly isnt pre 72. Its only had a blower put on it, and dont say different as I've spoke to Browny about it! ITS AN 80;s VETTE and should be in Classic American.


    Yes we had a vette a few years ago, but we used it as a daily, even when going to an AAC do at billing, we never even put it on the show field as we deemed it a daily and nothing more.

    Only a blower put on it ????

    Are you sure, think you should stop listening to other people Crusty and maybe take a look at it yourself, it,ll be at wet n wild tomorrow.
    Al has only ever glanced at it, however his son has seen some of all the work we,ve had to do.

    Kev R can certainly vouch for many of the mods and refabrication we,ve done as ive been on the phone to him and others more times than i care to remember.

    So are you saying that you could just slap a blower on a 350 chevy in a standard C4 and it fits without any mods to anything inc suspension ,steering , brakes, chassis, rack , prop,heads,cam,igintion let alone wiring and keeping the ecu (which no longer exists) powered dash ,exhausts, rear diff, etc?

    Its always best to take a look yourself before jumping in with comments like yours Crusty me ol mate or you just make yourself look stupid when others do look and see the massive job it was!

    If its so easy why do you think none of the corvette boys have ever done it to a C4????? They,ve done it to all the other models!

    Infact your comment has annoyed me that much Crusty ,and you put so much faith in what others say why dont you have a £200 wager with me, if its just had a blower plonked on with no mods i,ll pay out , BUT if there is serious crossmember ,rack, suspension etc mods then i win.

    As for Radical , well Radical means something that is distictively modified or altered from original, so, surf the net and find another C4 with a rootes type blower, none in the UK and Euro Vette club and none in the U.S vette club, id say it was radical then !
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    Quote Originally Posted by bigbadbaldlee View Post
    As I've said before (but I was "over reacting"): if you want to be a hot rods only club, define what one is and what one isn't, then stick to it and start telling everyone else to leave.
    You can't welcome everyone and their dog on the one hand and then moan about "losing our identity" on the other.
    I mean, just listen to it - "losing our identity"! How pretentious is that?
    Come on - I dare you, have a look through the readers rides thread and start deleting everything that isn't a hot rod - that's if you want to alienate a large proportion of this hobby's support.


    I am with Lee, let's get this sorted once and for all.

    You 'old school NSRA-ers' (over 10 years membership???) get everything
    sorted in your heads, then let us 'newbies' know if we fit in or not.

    Hmmm, Billing, 50 odd cars.....

    Nos Nats, 50 odd cars....

    HRSN's 50 odd cars.....

    HRD's, 50 odd cars....

    Can't really see the 'club' continuing, but you guys have been around the longest, you decide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langy View Post
    By catchall i mean people that havn't got a Hotrod/Streetrod, At the end of the day the name of the club is National Streetrod association isn't it ???, you wouldn't try and join a Harley club with a Honda melody would you ???
    Why wouldn't you?
    I used to be a member of the Aston Martin Owners club, but I didn't and still do not own one. I do like to enthuse over them, though.

    Surely that's the purpose of a club? To unite those with a similar enthusiasm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alcoholic Rat View Post
    Only a blower put on it ????

    Are you sure, think you should stop listening to other people Crusty and maybe take a look at it yourself, it,ll be at wet n wild tomorrow.
    Al has only ever glanced at it, however his son has seen some of all the work we,ve had to do.

    Kev R can certainly vouch for many of the mods and refabrication we,ve done as ive been on the phone to him and others more times than i care to remember.

    So are you saying that you could just slap a blower on a 350 chevy in a standard C4 and it fits without any mods to anything inc suspension ,steering , brakes, chassis, rack , prop etc?

    Its always best to take a look yourself before jumping in with comments like yours Crusty me ol mate or you just make yourself look stupid when others do look and see the massive job it was!

    If its so easy why do you think none of the corvette boys have ever done it to a C4????? They,ve done it to all the other models!

    Infact your comment has annoyed me that much Crusty ,and you put so much faith in what others say why dont you have a £200 wager with me, if its just had a blower plonked on with no mods i,ll pay out , BUT if there is serious crossmember ,rack, suspension etc mods then i win.

    OK Darren I'll bow down to your greater knowledge and take a look at the old girl (tongue firmly in cheek!). As for £200 wager I'll let you keep that you'l need it to do all the above mods.



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    Quote Originally Posted by JC. View Post
    Why wouldn't you?
    I used to be a member of the Aston Martin Owners club, but I didn't and still do not own one. I do like to enthuse over them, though.

    Surely that's the purpose of a club? To unite those with a similar enthusiasm?
    NSRA membership is open to anyone with an interest in Rods & Customs, whether or not you currently own one. Although the club's name includes the words 'Street Rod' the UK NSRA is different from most other Street Rod Associations; membership and participation is not restricted to pre '49 vehicles. Please browse the website and message board for information on the benefits of membership and details of the regular events programme organised by the NSRA.

    says on the front page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by langy View Post
    We have had all the other threads recently so here's another :-)

    Can't help thinking the NSRA may be losing its identity, Years ago when i joined i thought i was joining a national club to further Hotrodding in the UK which has always been my interest but these days it seems to have the image of being a catchall club ??? am i the only one that's thinking this ???

    There are a lot of Hotrodders with real Hotrods that don't bother with this site, Is this the reason ???
    I spoke about this years ago Steve. The dilution of Rods due to allowing any Tom, Dick or Harry in just because he considered his car to be a Rod whether it was or clearly wasn't. Got flamed for it on occasion but it's pretty obvious there are cars here that through default have no where else to go so the NSRA becomes a dumping ground for the flotsum that either don't want to belong elsewhere or cant be arsed to join the nasc.

    JC no problem in joining a club because you have an interest in what the club stands for but there is an ever increasing amount of people trying to bend the club to suit their obvious non conformist vehicles and ideals.
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